Breed Ban is Bull « Thread Started on Jan 19, 2006, 2:12pm »
The insurance industry estimates that each year more than $100 million in medical expenses result from dog bite injuries, and about $1 billion is paid in insurance liability claims each year.
While that may be true, should entire breeds be punished? Absolutely not!
As a nation, we have become complacent in our demands from our legislators, allowing them to go unfettered as they water down that precious bill of rights, the one thing that has until now, stood the test of time in protecting us from an over zealous government.
For too long now, we have allowed our government leaders to scare us into giving up these rights, one by one until now only a skeleton remains of that once great document. Even now, in a time when conservationists are risking life, limb, and imprisonment to protect a dying species, we find ourselves on the threshold of yet another attempt from fear-induced legislation to completely annihilate a few wonderful breeds of dogs from existence.
Already in Colorado, many people are living in fear and stress, hiding behind locked doors and drawn shades, as if they were criminals. In the eyes of the law, they are. Their crime, they own a pit bull. click this link http://www.idausa.org/denver_frame.html for more information.
History has taught us that prohibition is not a problem solver but rather an organized crime creator. The same thing will happen with Pit bulls if we allow our legislators to spin them into contraband. The margin for profit increase will go through the roof and keep these animals in the same hands of those who have given them their bad reputation.
Instead of punishing the breed let's work together with common sense discussion to preserve and protect this dog that is considered the family pet by many. Let's enforce individual responsibility with all pet owners and stop the scare campaigns. Let's take the 'bull' out of this discussion and push for open and sensible debate.
(reprints are encouraged by the author of this article, Theresa Yarbrough)
Re: Breed Ban is Bull « Reply #1 on Jan 19, 2006, 5:48pm »
RE: above subject, Pit Bull annihilation
If memory serves me correctly, we went through this with Doberman Pincher's and then Rottweilers, now Pit Bulls. We have had locally, in the last two years, horrific maiming and killing of young children by Pit Bulls that got away from their owners. The Pit Bull has more pounds per jaw bite pressure than any other dog. Also the problem is that they are indiscriminately bred by criminals to protect their "turf" and the most vicious dogs are being bred together. This dog is being used as a weapon on the streets of many cities and suburbs to intimidate people. Unfortunately, when these dogs get loose, the kids and innocent pay the huge price. I feel that any criminal that owns one of these dogs should have them seized and put to sleep as they cannot be rehabilitated, (the dogs that is). As this is written, huge dogs (I won't name the breed) are being bred and trained to take the place of Pit Bulls. These dogs already have killed and will make the Pit guard dog look like a lap dog. I feel that the true responsibility is to going back to breed only dogs with good temperaments, regardless of breed. I have heard some Pit breeders say they can be wonderful dogs. I have had experience with both Dobies and Rotties that were bred in families as family dogs and were the best dogs ever. Hopefully, we can take these dangerous "weapon" dogs out of the hands of these criminals and breed them for the nice temperament that I understand they can have.
Re: Breed Ban is Bull « Reply #2 on Jan 19, 2006, 10:42pm »
All large, potentially dangerous dogs should be in the hands of experienced, resposible, loving people. Not only can dogs raised irresponsibly be unable to be rehabilitated, neither, I think, can the irresponsible people who bred them to be mean
Re: Breed Ban is Bull « Reply #3 on Jan 20, 2006, 3:27pm »
These pitbulls not for illegal use. Their are to be tooken care of, love, & to be treated like a family member your own. Pitbulls are not the once to be band!!! The person who does the deeds should. Not the BREED!!!!! Alot of people now days are very scared & skeptical about pitbulls. But reality these dogs are the most lovable pets you can ever have. Their Energetic, Strong, Loyal, Athletic, Smart. Their are not to be mistaken for a KILLER! Just because of their Myth of LOCK JAW... Reasearch say that they dont have a lock jaw. THEY HAVE A STRONG JAW. People are scared of them because they feel as if they will turn on their Master or will attack any or anything. Ask your self this "Have i owned one to witness it myself ?" Yes i understand local news shows a bad rap about these dogs, but they dont show their great deeds as well. The owner WHO DOES treat them to be A KILLER, WILL BE A KILLER!!!! So pls. give these breeds a chance. BAND THE PEOPLE WHO HAS BAD DEEDS & NOT THE BREED.... These dogs are just like a any other animals. If they feel threaten, scared, They will react in any way necessary. Some are more dominate than others. This is why their called ANIMALS! No matter how big & small ANY BREEDS ARE they will have the animal in them. Some weak, passive, soft, hard, agressive. They all have their own attitudes like a human being. We as a human kind, we are given 3 strikes PER PERSON THEN JAIL TIME OR DEATH SENTENCE [DEPENDING ON HOW BAD THE CRIME IS.] Now for a pitbull its AUTOMATICLY A DEATH SENTENCE, & I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. But what i dont agree is that IF THAT PERSON BROUGHT IT OUT OF THAT DOG. Why do we not VANISH THE OWNER AS WELL.?? The dog didnt just say "Once i get loose im going to kill the 1st kid, or anything that goes by." Some when they get loose they feel LOST, SCARED, & DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO JUST LIKE US WHEN WE ARE LOST. Again this is why we call ANIMALS,... ANIMALS. Then the others has been trained to bite, & kill! Ask yourself "How in the world did they learn that?" The answer is that the owner THOUGHT THEM THAT.... So pls. leave these dogs be...... WE GONE THROUGH THIS W/THE DOBER MAN PINCHER, ROTTWIELER, & NOW PITBULLS.... PLS. STOP THE DEED, NOT THE BREED.....
Re: Breed Ban is Bull « Reply #4 on Jan 20, 2006, 3:34pm »
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All large, potentially dangerous dogs should be in the hands of experienced, resposible, loving people. Not only can dogs raised irresponsibly be unable to be rehabilitated, neither, I think, can the irresponsible people who bred them to be mean
I Agree w/you other than one thing. Which would be that these dogs are not dagareous dogs!!!!!! I myself had a pitbull for 10 years & not once she ever bitten any one! But she will kill you by LICKING YOU TO DEATH, thats what you have watch out on. I will re-phrase what you did say for people out their that dont understand pitbulls. THEIR MISTAKENLY MARKED AS DANGEROUS. Reality their HARMLESS & JUST NEEDS ALOT OF ATTENTION. If you cant provide that & your intentions are wrong. Then pls. dont try to raise one yourself if you cant take care of your own self......
Re: Breed Ban is Bull « Reply #5 on Jan 20, 2006, 10:03pm »
Any of you know about Kory Nelson from Denver?
The assistant attorney of Denver who is on the go to kill all dogs that even resemble a pit bull. As a matter of fact, I got verification from Linda Blairs assistant three months ago, that they were shooting dogs out side of the city. ( havent heard from Lindas assistant in awhile )..
Kory Nelson goes to other cities and states promoting how pit bulls should be shot and spews how the breed should be exterminated. I think we all know that some of these dogs are in the wrong hands, but to promote this kind of thing and to ban all dogs makes the WRONG PEOPLE AND WRONG DOGS pay for the wrong doings of others.
Thats why BSL is just plain wrong.
Another thing, Kory Nelson owns a German Sheppard ( I love those dogs dont take me wrong on this point) but GSDS are also known to attack and maul. There was an incident this Christmas Eve where three attacked a young boy, also a lot of home owners insurance companies wont cover you if you have a GSD.
This all goes to show the double standard mind of Mr. Nelson and I think we all need to go after him and pound the hell out of him owning a GSD. How would he like it if his breed of dog was declared dangerous ( well on some lists already is ) and he had to get rid of his dog?
My grand father was even attacked by a GSD five years ago...again I am not trying to make all GSDS look bad.
Now alderman Rugai of Chicago is using Nelsons home rule and ban example to promote banning in Chicago.
Its like banning is the "in" thing to do now and a lazy knee jerk reaction to some unfortunate incidents. The laws that we do have are not even enforced like dog leash laws, how many of you walking your dog has been approaced by a dog running loose?
That can cause a dog fight, and if your walking a pit bull on a leash and your dog fights back, well guess who the bad guy is?
I have TONS of links but am new to this page and am going on a tangine.. sorry, first post on the matter.
Re: Breed Ban is Bull « Reply #6 on Jan 20, 2006, 10:47pm »
Hello, I do not agree with the banning of any specific breed. There are good and bad dogs in any breed. Once they get one breed banned it is so much easier for them to just keep going and adding more breeds. They need to make people/owners responsible for their actions. It really comes down to holding people responsible. Dog breeds are bred for certain purposes, retrievers retrieve, heelers round things up, poodles..well..., dogs are going to do what they were bred for, owners should know and understand that before getting a dog.
Re: Breed Ban is Bull « Reply #7 on Jan 21, 2006, 12:08am »
Breed banning simply does NOT work. 1. banning one breed or dogs that look to be of that breed results in unneccisary euthenasia of dogs that are not even of said breed. 2. ANY breed can be TAUGHT to be aggressive. Instead of banning the dog, promote responsible ownership. 3. Border Collies and German Sheppards are among the top most dangerous dogs, and hardly any cities have legislation reguarding these breeds. Pit Bulls are no where near the top of the dangerous breed list. Not that I agree with any kind of breed ban, but banning dogs that are not even statstically that dangerous is just silly.
though we've heard it over and over again... punish the deed, not the breed.
Re: Breed Ban is Bull « Reply #8 on Jan 21, 2006, 2:22am »
Does anyone have any thoughts on why these politicians seem to ignore the fact there are good dogs out there?
They damn well know this, and they must also know that BSL laws are unfair to owners who dont have problem dogs.
I keep trying to figure this out, is it lobbying or something?
On top of that, what about all of the other things that put the public in danger? I mean all I hear is " its for public safety" mean while, I am more at risk from getting hit by a car at least twice a week. I kid you not, and its usually people just gabbing on the cell phone or too busy screwing around and not paying attention.
This whole thing is ludircrous yet everyone is on a banning party and no matter what anyone says Pit bulls will never be exterminated, there will always be some one out there breeding the dog.
People who dont care about laws will continue to have them, mean while the people that do care, the ones that have good dogs are paying the price for attacks they had no part in.
I mean a lot of people are going on how pit bull owners are drug addicts, are a threat to society, and even blame people like myself for attacks when I m a parent, a house wife, and have had my dog for eight years. He has never hurt anyone and my vet even says he is a good dog... sheesh.
There is a lot of dog owners out there who have had their dogs for years with not one problem, this proves the myth that all pit bulls snap for no reason. I mean eight years come on people!! I have had my dog for eight years and he is guilty of chewing up my accent pillows or killing a few pigeons, ( dogs do that from time to time)........
What are these politicians thinking?
Can some one help me while I bang my head up against the wall??
Re: Breed Ban is Bull « Reply #9 on Jan 21, 2006, 6:57pm »
I think it is a fad, something to lull the scared people into feeling "safe" I regularly walked my Greyhound past a house with a mean looking Rottie, he always barked ferosiosly at us. One day the owner was out and said it would be MY fault if his dog got loose! This Rottie DID get loose, and attacked my neighbors dog, a sweet mutt, as she walked by the house, her dog on a leash. I do not support banning Rotts, or any other breed. This owner did not deserve to have a potentially wonderful pet.
Re: Breed Ban is Bull « Reply #10 on Jan 23, 2006, 5:53pm »
This is a political issue and has nothing at all to do with certain breeds of dogs other than them being made the scapegoat, so to speak.
There are 4.5 million dog bites each year. This is only an estimate as there is no central reporting agency for dog bites, because of this, breed and other information is not accurately known. We do know that out of the millions of bites each year, about 10-20 are fatal. Of course whatever the number it's a tragedy but represents a small number and does not warrant wide-sweeping breed specific banning legislation.
However, insurance companies are reporting dog bites have become the biggest single cause of home policy claims with claims running to more than $300 million a year. Because of this, they are not only lobbying for action in the state house but are narrowing a homeowners choice for the family pet with their Homeowner Policies Banning. Homeowners are increasingly finding themselves in the uncomfortable position of choosing between their family pet and insurance.
With many retired legislators becoming hired lobbyists, the opposers of Breed Specific Ban Legislation are going to find themselves up against politically savvy lobbyists who are very good at presenting their case. Couple that with a media hell bent on showing the worst in these breeds and we've got a strong fight on our hands. Sadly, one of the biggest enemies that we face is the complacent pet-owner who won't fight for the right to own his dog.
Re: Breed Ban is Bull « Reply #11 on Feb 3, 2006, 3:47am »
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Another thing, Kory Nelson owns a German Sheppard ( I love those dogs dont take me wrong on this point) but GSDS are also known to attack and maul. There was an incident this Christmas Eve where three attacked a young boy, also a lot of home owners insurance companies wont cover you if you have a GSD.
What Mr. Nelson fails to realize, is that by advocating breed bans against American Pit Bull Terriers, and what they consider the "pitbull type"(anything with muscles and a round head), he is only advocating BSL against his own owned breed, GSD's. Written in just about every BSL law is a list of breeds that are known to have killed people, and these lists DO contain the GSD. Eventually owning any breed of dog that wasn't originally bred to be a lap dog will be banned, and before long they will move on to those as well. Mr. Nelson is obviously blind and oblivious to this fact.
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Does anyone have any thoughts on why these politicians seem to ignore the fact there are good dogs out there?
They damn well know this, and they must also know that BSL laws are unfair to owners who dont have problem dogs.
I keep trying to figure this out, is it lobbying or something?
Is it lobbying - yes it is. They do whatever they think will get them more votes. Currently the media has caused such a panic by focusing SOLELY on American Pit Bull Terrier's, and "pitbull type" breeds biting people, that it's all people want to hear about anymore. They don't want to hear about their neighbors Golden Retriever killing the family's new baby, or the old lady down the road's Toy Poodle harrassing every neighbor kid that walks by the house because the old lady refuses to keep it contained. Banning toy poodles, labs, and Golden Retriever's don't get votes currently!
The major problem is that the media has brainwashed society into thinking false facts are true, and have tricked them into thinking that only Pit Bull's bite. They SEARCH hospital records, and animal control records for dog bites, and then single out the bites done by pit bulls. I was lucky enough to change the mind of a local news station's programming editor. He had been convinced that Pit Bulls really did bite more, untill I encouraged him to double check all the facts. What he found astonished him. I can tell you that that station doesn't air as many stories on Pit Bull bites while the other stations do, and when they do it is most likely their other programming editor that approved the story. It takes something big for me to get him to do a positive story for me, but I've managed to persuade him to do a few.
The "problem" lies simply in the popularity of the breed. This is why they seem to think that banning the breed will fix the "problem". They fail to see the bigger picture. By banning a breed, they will not remove the breed from the irresponsible people's hands. I hate to compare this to other things, but it's just like gun control, and drug activities. They can ban it, make it illegal, all they want, but this doesn't stop the criminals from obtaining, using, and selling these items! All it does is forces the people who properly use and treat them (talking about guns here not the drugs lol) to give up their constitional rights! What needs to be done is regulation on breeding. Yes, this will not stop bad people from breeding, but it will slow it down. However, it has been argued that putting a regulation on breeding is only a start to bigger problems. I just think every county and city should have stiffer laws on who can, and can't breed dogs, and this goes for EVERY breed of dog.
I see a surplus of "Pit Bull" puppies for sale in my paper, which, thankfully, has actually slowed down. Most of these puppies for sale arn't registered, and are of poor quality. The people either bred them to get a quick buck, or they did it because they thought their dog needed it. It's really sad how uneducated society is on the breeding of animals. What results is poorly bred animals, who end up in the hands of whoever because the person who bred them either has no care where they end up, or are completely naive as to how to properly place a puppy. They know nothing about the breed, and when they sell one of these "pups" to a new owner, they have no regard to what requirments the new owner should meet. So then, the new owner gets the "pup" it grows up, and they want to breed it, and do. You see the vicious cycle this creates. We basically, need more education on this PROBLEM. Registries need to step up and make an effort to educate the general public. Currently, most of them are only worried about the show community. Dog food companies also need to step up and do some educating. Their commercials reach just about every dog owner in America, and people tend to take what they say as the almighty truth. So, if they educated people would understand!
This my friends, would help EVERY breed out immensly. So then, I could argue all day about the fact that Pit Bulls are singled out, and mis-represented, but that would solve nothing. Even centers that claim to have accurate dog bite statistics do not have accurate statistics. They list every other breed as a separate breed, yet lump American Pit Bull Terrier's into a category, called "pitbull type". This category contains about 15 other breeds of dog, plus those that someone thought was an American Pit Bull Terrier but couldn't be positive. In reality, the number of bites actually done by the American Pit Bull Terrier, are minimal, and the true stats should show that they were done by un-identified or unsure of breeds. Or what "looked like a Pit Bull". Instead of lumping the breed that I love so much into this hateful category.
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